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"Ffestiniog Fairlie"
18-Jul-05, 01:30 AM (MST)
My wife and I had a fine day on the Ffestiniog on Friday - beautiful weather, the buffet car serves Old Speckled Hen, and we had the tail-end observation car to ourselves on the up journey; it doesn't get much better than this

The loco on both trips was Iarll Meirionydd / Earl of Meirioneth; two sets were working, with Merddin Emrys in charge of the other.

Here's a shot of our loco refuelling and watering at Porthmadog.

John

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  RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie Dean Portzteam 18-Jul-05 1
     RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie caronprom 19-Jul-05 2
         RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie Dean Portzteam 19-Jul-05 3
             RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie caronprom 20-Jul-05 4
                 RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie Dean Portzteam 20-Jul-05 5
                     RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie caronprom 26-Jul-05 6

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1. "RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie"
18-Jul-05, 09:26 PM (MST)
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Great photo John! Is is just the lighting or is that right side rail round? You'll have to forgive my ignorance since I'm not knowledgeable on such things over the pond.

Dean


 

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2. "RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie"
19-Jul-05, 01:13 AM (MST)
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Like most UK lines, the Ffestiniog once used bullhead rail (rail with a rounded head and foot, held in chairs rather than spiked down) but it's used flat-bottom rail rolled to its own specification for some time now - so it's just a combination of the light and the fact that the ballast is well up to the rail-head.

Bullhead is still alive and well in some applications - the London Underground still use it exclusively, I think.

From the modelling / weathering point of view, what I find fascinating about the photo is that this very smartly-turned-out loco is still rather tatty in places - note the way that the lining, and indeed the whole paint-scheme, disappears around the front of the cab behind the dome.

You can also (just) see the twin regulators in the cab; the levers are painted red and the handles for the two engines (one loco, two engines!) sit right next to each other, making it very easy for the driver to control them either separately or together.

John


 

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3. "RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie"
19-Jul-05, 10:42 PM (MST)
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John,

After reading your post which included a name of the rail type (thanks!) I searched around a bit for some other info. Pretty fascinating stuff! Peco even produces track in this configuration and I'm sure others do as well.

Yes, I did notice the various new and used looking areas on the loco. The front right deck edge looks more paintless than the left side probably from access to the smoke box? The cow catcher or the UK equivalent has all it's paint so I guess they don't use it for a step up.

If it were shiny all over then you picture would probably have had loads of sunlight bouncing back at the film.

Dean


 

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4. "RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie"
20-Jul-05, 08:29 AM (MST)
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Dean,

The original idea with bullhead rail was that it could be turned over and reused 'upside down' once the running surface was worn, but in fact this hardly ever happened as the bottom of the rail was damaged by hammer-blow in the chairs (though the Ffestiniog did occasionally reuse old rail after planing the bottom surface smooth); the real advantage was that the chairs enabled the rail to sit at exactly the right vertical angle (sloping inwards slightly - someone here may know the exact degree of slope?) to match the coning on the tyres).

These locos do get climbed over quite a bit, especially to reach the fillers on the tank tops. Indeed, the original reason the spectacle glasses were made so large was so that the crew members could climb out through them should the loco fail in the Ffestiniog's 'long tunnel', where the clearances at the sides and top were measured in inches only. The new Moelwyn Tunnel is quite a bit bigger, but clearances in places on the line are still very tight indeed.

John


 

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5. "RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie"
20-Jul-05, 11:34 PM (MST)
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John,

Thanks for the enlightenment. Always fascinating to learn how things work. With those tight quarters and possibility of a break down, I'll bet those crews take extra care making sure things are working correctly. Don't think I'd like to be walking out of a tunnel.

Dean


 

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6. "RE: Ffestiniog Fairlie"
26-Jul-05, 07:44 AM (MST)
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Such breakdowns did occur occasionally - once from a burst brake hose, IIRC. In the 1920s the Ffestiniog was in such a state that it's a miracle that there weren't more tunnel failures than there were - a mixture of bad maintenance, poor coal, and a traffic manager who probably wasn't very competent.

Nowadays things are very different!

John


 

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