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"Southwold Resurection"
17-Sep-03, 03:55 AM (MST)
Recently there has been various news items concerning a proposal to resurect the old 3 ft gauge Southwold Railway closed in 1929 but where much of the trackbed remains. One arguement put forward in its favour is that it could act as a park and ride scheme to reduce traffic congestion in this delightful Suffolk town, especially in the height of the summer. However a counter arguement has been put forward on grounds of the disturbance to widllife along the route, which is beside marshes and reedbeds in the river Blyth estuary.

Last night on the Anglian news, there was a feature on the proposals and the protest movement prior to a meeting of the Southwold town Council. Sadly the report today is that the proposals have been rejected by the council.
I am convinced that a railway would offer considerably less of a wildlife environmental impact than streams of cars along rural roads.
Lets hope that some common sense prevails (well common sense in my eyes that is) and that this project can proceed.

Paul Kidger


 

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Southwold Resurection C_Th_Wg 04-Oct-03 1
     RE: Southwold Resurection paul kidger 05-Oct-03 2
         RE: Southwold Resurection JohnRteam 05-Oct-03 3
             RE: Southwold Resurection paul kidger 06-Oct-03 4
         RE: Southwold Resurection C_Th_Wg 12-Oct-03 5

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1. "RE: Southwold Resurection"
04-Oct-03, 12:46 PM (MST)
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Hello,
just returned form the IoM and a due inspection of the Cleminson MNR # 3 coach at Douglas, reminding me of the Southwold. I was permitted to take some measurements of wheelbase (2x 141") vs. articulation distances (2* (81.5"+59.5"), lengths divided in approx. 1/14 of the wheelbase, which is not a "straight" 280", though !] etc.

BTW, a similar project had been pursued with regard to the commuter operation on the IoM Steam Railway. I read in the local papers there, and today in T&UT, that these plans also had to be dismissed.

>Sadly the report today is that the proposals have been rejected by the council. I am convinced that a railway would offer considerably less of a wildlife environmental impact than streams of cars along rural roads.<

Seems to me that the "Wildlife argument" came just in time for opponents of the scheme in order to conveniently shelter under that kind of "environmental camouflage".

Could have worked in a joint order of Stadler GTw 2/6 railcars for both services. I would doubt, even though an alleged press report had featured them in that context, that the pair of C.o.Donegal railcars could work it conveniently, especially with 21st century timings required between R'way Airport and Douglas. However, provision of 2 GTw 2/6 units (plus the Donegals in reserve) would not have paid off.

Together with the Southwold, it might have worked out more economically, though.

However, from a wholly local point of view: What would have been the point of having the last of the 3 ft gauge lines in mainland UK being re-instated ? Well, for all of us it would have been fine & fun, but that is not what any railway is supposed to do alone. What transport benefits would a 3' line have (except on the IoM, of course, where 3' is "standard" gauge), compared to a standard-gauge Light Rail interurban line ?

Kind regards

CTW, DE-Goslar


 

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2. "RE: Southwold Resurection"
05-Oct-03, 01:47 PM (MST)
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Claus Thomas
I am glad that you had an enjoyable time in IOM. I must admit that I was ignorant of the fact that there were some Cleminson bogie stock on the IOM system.
Re the Donegal railcars, I realise that you are using them purely as an illustration . However, I presume that you appreciate that these railcars were designed to be turned at the end of their runs. They do not have a reversing gearbox, only a low ratio reverse gear for station movements...rather like a road vehicle arrangement. On the IOM, they used to be run 'Back to back' so that one could pull the other with its engine either off or the gearbox in neutral. The drivers used to report their being short on power. What a surprise.

Southwold is completely different from IOM regarding passenger potential. Southwold is a remote town in an area of low population density. The roads to it are narrow and unsuited to heavy traffic. Local off season traffic is light and the needs are easily met by either private cars or buses. It is the seasonal day visitors which cause the problems. To a certain extent this has been made worse by the fact that it has become a weekend town for wealthy Londoners..... effectively pricing the local people out of the town. Southwold has a unique appeal in that it has changed little over the last 50 or more years. Apart that is, for the floods of private cars which bring the visitors in on weekends and summer days. (It also has a lovely small brewery producing an excellent traditional English Ale). A railway would be a wonderful asset to the town by both attracting people to the town and by encouraging them to leave their cars at a suitable Park & Ride facility. In my opinion, it would be more environmentally friendly than the numbers of cars currently encountered.
It is a pity that local objection was so strong. The main reason given was the environment however I think that this may hide the true reason.

Paul Kidger


 

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3. "RE: Southwold Resurection"
05-Oct-03, 05:03 PM (MST)
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(It also has a lovely small brewery producing an excellent traditional English Ale).

It's been a long time, but I still remember Adnams bitter with great fondness.

...John Reay, forum staff


 

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4. "RE: Southwold Resurection"
06-Oct-03, 02:18 AM (MST)
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John
Thanks
Yes Adnams is extremely good. They are also wine importers with a very good reputation and have opened a shop close to the brewery site selling all sorts of high quality wines and beers.
This will get you really envyous. I work in the brewing industry as a consultant/lecturer so get to see a number of breweries both here and overseas. I was with a party of overseas students last week in Birmingham and we visited Burton, including Marstons. Of course the railway network in Burton was legendary and there are still bits of track around the place. When we moved there in 1974, there was the old North Staffs Railway Butter and Salt warehouse by the canal, sadly demolished a few years later.
When I worked in Burton, the brewery Security officer told me of the time he came across a 'Southerner' waiting on the Ind Coope loading dock (which was served by rail)complete with suitcase. Someone had told him that the station was 'up there on the left' Unfortunately he didnt go far enough 'up there', saw the dock and rail lines and took it for the platform. I wonder if any of the loaders had the initiative to sell him a ticket?
I now live in Suffolk about 150 yds from the track of the Mid Suffolk Light Rly, of which there are many signs and parts of the trackbed, still around.
Southwold is a favorite place to visit, preferrable out of season. Sadly the local businesses have been seriously affected by its becoming a Londoners weekend town. House prices have gone silly so that no locals can afford to live there and it makes running a retail business during the weekdays, a hazardous affair.
Until recently (3 or 4 years) there was a 10 yd section of the old railway line and a buffer stop still in place down by the harbour. I have an idea that it may have been lifted by a group keen on preserving all artifacts. The little museum in Southwold also has a number of relics and sells sets of those wonderful old cartoon postcards of the railway.
In case you havnt guessed, I would love to see a return of the Southwold Railway.

Paul Kidger


 

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5. "RE: Southwold Resurection"
12-Oct-03, 02:00 PM (MST)
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>> like a road vehicle arrangement. On the IOM, they used to be run 'Back to back' so that one could pull the other with its engine either off or the gearbox in neutral. The drivers used to report their being short on power. What a surprise.<<

Sure - you clearly show where their resemblance to the 21st century Stadler GTw2/6 vehicles ends - yet their principle might appeal. IOM and Soutrhwold might have benefited from "tailing onto" another narrow-gauge series order like the current OSE Peloponnese one.

>> Southwold is completely different from IOM regarding passenger potential. <...> In my opinion, it would be more environmentally friendly than the numbers of cars currently encountered. <<

OK, maybe if built as an electric interurban ?

>> The main reason given was the environment however I think that this may hide the true reason.<<

This, like "safety concern" fairytales, is the "new speak" to eliminate productive ideas. Seen p. 95 of Sept.II/2 of "RAIL" issue 470 ?

CTW, DE-Goslar


 

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